2007 02 13 CC Minutes, SpecialMINUTES OF THE SPECIAL SESSION
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF BAYTOWN
February 13, 2007 - 7:00 p.m.
A quorum of members of the Baytown City Council attended the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Meeting on February 13, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chamber of the Baytown City Hall, 2401 Market
Street, Baytown, Texas to hear the aquatic consultant's report with the following in attendance:
Stephen H. DonCarlos – Mayor
Mercedes Renteria, III - City Council Member, District 1
Brandon Capetillo - City Council Member, District 3
Sammy Mahan - City Council Member, District 6
Bob Leiper - Deputy City Manager
Kelvin Knauf - Assistant City Manager
The Baytown Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. The first
item on the agenda was:
Mark Hatchel with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. and Scot Hunsaker with Counsilman-Hunsaker,
Inc. will conduct a public meeting regarding the Aquatic Facilities Master Plan.
Mr. Scott Johnson, Director for the City of Baytown Parks and Recreation Department, introduced Mark
Hatchel with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. along with Scot Hunsaker, President of Counsilman-
Hunsaker, Inc. and Kevin Post with Counsilman-Hunsaker, Inc. who conducted the public meeting
regarding the Aquatic Facilities Master Plan.
Mr. Hatchel began the meeting with opening remarks and introduced the team of Kimley-Horn
Associates and Counsilman-Hunsaker, Inc. to the Parks Board Members and guests supported by
background information.
He stated that he is a Landscape Architect and Park Designer with 30 years of experience in the State
of Texas. Counsilman-Hunsaker is the leading aquatic planning and design firm in the United States
and Kimley-Horn Associates are nationally known engineers, aquatic designers and park planners.
Mr. Hatchel reported that the last aquatic study done in Baytown was in 1998 and since that time two
of the pools have been closed, Roseland and McElroy. The City of Baytown has two 1970 vintage
pools which are located at the Wayne Gray Sports Complex and N.C. Foote Park which are currently
operated by the YMCA.
A power point presentation with an overview of the aquatic programming options, costs, operational
considerations, and current Texas and nationwide trends in aquatic design was shown and discussed by
Mr. Hunsaker. He explained the approach for the aquatics master plan, which is to identify potential
user groups, evaluate existing area providers, research area demographics, develop concepts for aquatic
programming, develop construction and project cost estimates, estimate revenue potential, estimate
operating expenses, and determine cash flow. He explained the types of aquatic programming, such
as, competitive, lesson, wellness and therapy programs, and recreation.
Mr. Hunsaker stated that aquatic recreation has changed in the past 35 years. He showed slides that
consisted of photographs of aquatic recreation elements at municipal facilities with amenities such as
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Waterslides, Flow Riders, Wave pools, Participatory Play Features, Water Vortex, Lazy River/Current
Channels, Lily Pad Walk, Floatables, Raindrops, Zero Beach, Tea Cups, Spray Bars and Bubbler. He
also provided slides of family aquatic centers in other cities. The presentation consisted of photos of
the upcoming aquatic center in Bellaire-Town Square, Hurst-Central Aquatics Center, Mesquite-
Vanston Pool and Dallas-Bahama Beach.
Upon concluding the presentation, Mark Hatchel and Scot Hunsaker opened the floor for questions
regarding the vision for the future of aquatic programming in the Baytown community.
Council Member Mahan asked for a cost estimate on the Mesquite pool. Mr. Hunsaker stated that the
cost of the pool was $2.2 million.
Council Member Mahan asked if access lifts are required for all aquatic facilities and are the access
lifts maintained by lifeguards. Mr. Hunsaker stated that access lifts are dependant upon the size of the
pool and can be maintained by an attendant. He advised Council Member Mahan that the zero beaches
have no sand and have a concrete surface; therefore it is similar to maintaining a pool.
Council Member Renteria inquired about the design cost. Mr. Hatchel replied that there will be
another 10% for indirect cost including fees, surveys, and geographical services. He also stated that as
they bring forward cost estimates for construction costs and indirect costs there will be a detailed
breakdown for the project total cost. Mr. Hunsaker added that a retail cost will be provided along with
an assumption of a time projection, which is normally a period of two years.
Mr. Johnson stated that there has been a discussion on what should be done with the existing pools in
Baytown. For instance, should the pools be excavated and one large pool be installed at a nice park
and install a spray park in another location or should there be more pools installed. Mr. Johnson also
stated that there is a definite need for pools for swimming lessons and various other activities.
Council Members Renteria and Mahan along with Mr. Johnson agreed that N.C. Foote pool is very
busy during pool season. Council Member Renteria added that this pool is attended by the District 1
residents as well as people from outside the district and outside the city and for this reason he and his
constituents would like to keep the N.C. Foote pool and suggested that a spray park be installed at
Bergeron Park due to a lack of transportation for the residents in his district.
Council Member Renteria also stated that there are three areas that need to be considered:
¾ Building in the oldest section of Baytown due to the needs in the area,
¾ Upgrading on the north side of town, and
¾ The overall theme park.
Mr. Hunsaker responded to the comments by stating that one of the goals of Kimley-Horn Associates
and Counsilman-Hunsaker is to define success for the City of Baytown. For instance, is the definition
of success:
¾ Location, attendance and the overall use of the facility? or
¾ A fiscally sustainable facility or one that meets the program needs, such as, therapy needs,
recreational needs, lesson and training need or the competitive needs of the Baytown
community?
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Parks Board Member Billy Barnett, stated that he would like to see a facility for all of the citizens of
Baytown for every one of all ages to enjoy and also draw out of town guests. He stated that this
project should be done right the first time and perhaps a bond can be passed by getting the support of
the voters.
Wayne Gray, Chairman stated that through research and discussions he has learned that the mega
facilities can bring in a lot of revenue in the first several years. He stated that the city should be
prepared for competition. He suggested that the City of Baytown not enter into a permanent deferred
maintenance program so that in the future of the facility is not shutdown. Mr. Gray also stated that the
N.C. Foote pool has reached its life expectancy, but no one wants to see the pool shutdown due to its
heavy usage.
Mr. Hunsaker stated that for each option that Kimley-Horn Associates and Counsilman-Hunsaker
develop; it will include a budget for capital replacement cost, so that funds are available for future
repairs. Mr. Hunsaker gave three models of aquatic facilities in the United States. The first model
being the “subsidy model”, which is a 1960’s or 1970’s approach where tax dollars are used to build
and operate an aquatic facility. The second model is the “Break Even” approach where tax dollars are
used to build the facility, but the direct revenue is used to cover the direct expenses of the facility.
This is a typical approach. The last model is the “Positive Cash Flow” approach where the user fee
will pay for the direct operating cost, and it will also contribute to a portion of the capital. Mr.
Hunsaker advised that there is a need to build for the future, but not to build a new obsolete facility
like a pool due to the rapid changes in aquatic recreation facilities.
Eva Benevides asked that consideration be taken when selecting the type of facility as it will affect the
cost of entering the park. She stated that many of the residents of Baytown cannot afford to pay the
high cost of many of the large water parks in the area, but they need the recreation for their families.
Mr. Hunsaker stated that the process that Kimley-Horn Associates and Counsilman-Hunsaker are
doing at this time is the first step of a three part process, which is information gathering, identifying
needs and meeting with all groups in the community. He stated that it is their intent to return to the
Baytown community within 45 days with different concepts along with bubble diagrams and
representations that will basically show what the facility will look like. The consultants will also have
on hand a preliminary analysis of the project retail cost in a projected two-year span. An opinion of
attendance will be developed and a rough guess regarding location and a starting point on developing a
fee schedule. After this process is complete the consultants will return within 45 to 60 days with more
of a finished product with all of the support information, then review the draft collectively and present
a final draft in early June of 2007.
Council Member Brandon Capetillo stated that his definition of success is to meet the needs of the
established citizens and the guests of the community and to also remain financially responsible. He
stated that the Lewisville model could meet the needs of the community and the needs of all age
groups.
A resident of the Baytown community asked Mr. Johnson for the proposed site. Mr. Johnson stated
that the Wayne Gray Sports Complex would be a good location, but not a definite location. The
resident suggested the Goose Creek Stream be developed into an aquatic park. Mr. Hunsaker
encouraged that the community not determine a location at this time due to a lack of information. Mr.
Hunsaker stated that when he returns in 45 days he will have preliminary findings with regards to site
requirements and the amount of land needed for each option.
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The consultants will provide development cost and operating cost on the following options:
1. Escalate prices into current cost from the 1998 feasibility study or an audit done by the
Baytown community of the existing aquatic facility to look at what it would take to repair
those facilities into current condition.
2. Develop a spray park built on the success of the current installation and perhaps add extra
amenities.
3. A neighborhood park with elements of lap lanes, lesson areas, slide elements or more of a
neighborhood park aquatic facility by current standards.
4. A destination oriented facility with expanded features of the Lewisville concept.
5. Long course component or a 50 meter pool more of an outdoor concept that could be used for
water polo, competitive swimming.
Mr. Hunsaker recommended that the options be narrowed from five to three.
Mayor DonCarlos suggested that the aquatics plan cover the entire City of Baytown. He stated that a
spray park should be considered in an area such as Bergeron Park and be expanded on the concept of a
neighborhood or family oriented facility at N.C. Foote Park. He expressed that the community and the
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board should not think small and should present the plan as a package
to be completed at one time and not in phases. He also expressed that Mr. Johnson’s idea of a surfing
facility be considered, because it would be a unique idea in this area. He stated that Hotel/Motel Tax
dollars could possibly be used to draw regional guests to the facility. He discourages the wave pool
concept since LaPorte and Mount Belleview already have these type facilities. He advised that City
Council seems to be moving forward toward a November bond issue and would like to charge the
citizens bond committee with developing the aquatics program as part of a major bond issue in
November.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
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Lorri Coody, City Clerk